guys what is your political ideology?
im a conservative but i hate trump
I'm a classical liberal, similar to Locke or Jefferson
> [mmHg](/thread.html?thread=1230&post=1258#p1258)
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> I'm a classical liberal, similar to Locke or Jefferson
ohk cool im a libertarian isnt that the same thing?
> [nguyen12345678910](/thread.html?thread=1230&post=1260#p1260)
> ohk cool im a libertarian isnt that the same thing?
Not really...because the guiding ethical principle (ought) of libertarianism is the non aggression principle (NAP) which is supposed to justify all contracts, yet contracts are enforced seemingly necessarily by government aggression and so libertarian contracts can violate unalienable rights.
libertarians don't believe in unalienable rights (except for inalienability of the will because its existentially impossible to contract away your agency) and I do.
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> > ohk cool im a libertarian isnt that the same thing?
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> Not really...because the guiding ethical principle (ought) of libertarianism is the non aggression principle (NAP) which is supposed to justify all contracts, yet contracts are enforced seemingly necessarily by government aggression and so libertarian contracts can violate unalienable rights.
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> libertarians don't believe in unalienable rights (except for inalienability of the will because its existentially impossible to contract away your agency) and I do.
ok suh but how do classical liberals decide which rights are inalienable? seems arbitrary. i think its enough to believe that inalienability of the will as you said. its actually not arbitrary for libertarians to believe in the inalienability of will otherwise how do you get anything.
hey what do you think about abortions
>ok suh but how do classical liberals decide which rights are inalienable?
while the NAP is the guiding ethical principle of libertarianism, natural law is the guiding ethical principle of (conventional/Lockean) classical liberalism: (1) What is natural law? (2) Where does natural law come from? (3) Finally, what is the difference between natural law and the NAP?
(1) Natural laws are just morals that don't come from any government, culture, contract, etc.
(2) Natural laws come from nature. What does nature mean, or where does nature come from? Nature is hard to define, and a proper definition of nature would rely on a theory about where nature comes from. Locke thinks that nature comes from God. He thinks that natural law comes from God since natural law comes from nature and nature comes from God. I agree with him, except for he is not a divine command theorist and I am one.
(3) Natural law and NAP are not mutually exclusive, but natural law operates at a much broader scope than the NAP does. More than anything, I see libertarianism as an "incomplete ideology" since while I am fine with believing that the NAP is one of the natural laws, I think there are other natural laws that libertarians miss. Then again, communitarians would argue that classical liberalism is an incomplete ideology since classical liberals believe in liberty and equality while communitarians believe in liberty, equality, AND community. I personally believe that community is vital for rural townsteads, but that it should be left out of greater society. I believe in a separation between rural societies and greater society. This makes me both a classical liberal and a communitarian.
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> hey what do you think about abortions
I support abortions
cool dood woa what the hell why do you support abortions!?
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> cool dood woa what the hell why do you support abortions!?
Because it brings about the extinction of counterculture to the extent that is possible.
are you saying that values are genetic or some shitt
because like people are brainwashed into becoming counterculture so wouldnt there still be a lot of counterculture if they got those abortions
> [nguyen12345678910](/thread.html?thread=1230&post=1276#p1276)
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> are you saying that values are genetic or some shitt
Yes...values cannot be separated from genetics, but the set of values is just one of the branches of culture and I would say that culture cannot be separate from genetics.
do you seriously think that liberals will stop existing after all of them get abortions enough times
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> do you seriously think that liberals will stop existing after all of them get abortions enough times
I guess it depends on what you mean by liberal, I mean it is possible for someone to believe in the liberal views without having the high intolerance level of a typical liberal. I think that all the people who are liberal that are intolerant whose intolerance comes from the fact of being a liberal would die out if that makes sense...
Counterculture is more of a set of personality traits, its like the aspect of being actively involved in activism, the aspect of being noisy just for the sake of shakening people up, the aspect of trying to change the culture (usually by breaking down whatever traditions are part of the culture).
obviously, personality traits are genetic
I've actually noticed that conservative women have more "complete looking" bodies where their hips are naturally proportioned and perfectly suit for carrying a baby, whereas counterculture women tend to have almost flat hips. It's pretty interesting to notice to say the least...
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> I've actually noticed that conservative women have more "complete looking" bodies where their hips are naturally proportioned and perfectly suit for carrying a baby, whereas counterculture women tend to have almost flat hips. It's pretty interesting to notice to say the least...
actually ive noticed the same too dats kinda weird and interesting. still, they are people you cant just dehumanize them
> [nguyen12345678910](/thread.html?thread=1230&post=1286#p1286)
> actually ive noticed the same too dats kinda weird and interesting. still, they are people you cant just dehumanize them
I believe in self-defense...Don't you also believe in self-defense since you're a libertarian?
yah but wtf are you talking about dude lmao how does "counterculture" affect u
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> yah but wtf are you talking about dude lmao how does "counterculture" affect u
I should've added that I also believe in the castle doctrine" ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
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> > yah but wtf are you talking about dude lmao how does "counterculture" affect u
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> I should've added that I also believe in the castle doctrine" ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
uhm okai but what this has to do with getting rid of counterculture??
> [nguyen12345678910](/thread.html?thread=1230&post=1293#p1293)
> uhm okai but what this has to do with getting rid of counterculture??
We live in God's castle. He kills people that attack Him or his castle (servitude for us). For example, He feeds abortions to feminists and counterculture. That way, feminists and counterculture die off (since culture is genetic). Another example could be that He kills conservative comstockeries by making them drive cars constantly, eat diets that increase risk of heart attacks / cancer / etc., sending them to wars, stuff like that. Also, the conservative comstockeries constantly try to save the left and so do things like ban abortions which accelerate the liberal population (by forcing liberals to procreate more than they want to) that then takes over and causes problems for conservatives.
I mean, since I am a divine command theorist, I am pretty much forced to believe that all these people (both the counterculture and the comstockeries) deserve death, although it is REALLY hard for my heart to accept it sometimes.
To be clear, I don't think God kills people for the content of their speech or the ideologies they hold. I think God's disputes against humanity are more about human personalities and behaviors and not about ideologies and content. So, I don't think being a liberal or being a conservative leads to God killing you. What I think leads to God killing you is stuff like participating in counterculture activism, or participating in comstockery.
I mean I am obese, so probably God hates me too. I fear God in a double-meaning way. I fear His wrath but I also recognize His goodness. The reason why I recognize His goodness is because I know that He functions exactly as intended. He lacks privations. He is like a perfect circle if humanity would be an imperfect circle. An imperfect circle has privations and a perfect circle does not. Likewise, He has no privations whatsoever.
ummmm okay woww ill have to respond to this later but one last question what do u think about trump
> [nguyen12345678910](/thread.html?thread=1230&post=1298#p1298)
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> ummmm okay woww ill have to respond to this later but one last question what do u think about trump
I don't know because he intentionally confuses people. He does it on purpose. The reason why he confuses people on purpose is because he is an art of war purist. Sun Tzu's *Art of War* is full of advice for being a good diplomat and Trump follows it very carefully according to his general behavior. (And his behavior always seems to benefit him). Sun Tzu is very big on confusion.
When Trump brags about cheating on his wife and having affairs, I think that's just him trying to confuse people. I do think that he cheated with Marla Maples, I think that much is true, but I also think that he bragged about having other affairs that he probably never had.
Bragging About His ‘Experiences’ With Married Women. In Trump: The Art Of The Comeback, Trump writes, “If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller (which it will be anyway!).”